May 10, 2008
STIMULUS
We got our Pelosi Money yesterday, but there's nothing we need to buy to help stimulate the economy. We had intended to spend it on sod for the backyard since we're having a really hard time making grass grow on sand, but the sod laying company can't get into our backyard unless we tear down part of our fence. That seems like a bad trade-off to me, so we're not going that route right now. Other than that, I can't think of anything to spend it on. Thanks for funding our IRA, Congress. You meatheads.
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How about spending it on a plane ticket, dork?
Posted by: FbL at May 10, 2008 06:12 AM (HwqvF)
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We got our Pelosi money too. We are using it to help get us the heck out of a yellow dog state!!
Thanks Nancy!!
Posted by: awtm at May 10, 2008 07:49 AM (Eu6Vg)
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wait until I get settled, and perhaps you can use it on a road trip....
"only in Nebraska!"
We invented "the kool aid"...
which might be a good tag line for my new Nebraska blog....
Posted by: awtm at May 10, 2008 07:51 AM (Eu6Vg)
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I'm glad to hear someone got their's on time, they seem to have lost us, when we get it, it too will go back into our savings to help replace what we spent on our house, no economy stimulus there Nancy....like anyone wants to spend money when Gas is almost 4.00 a gallon, no one can afford to go anywhere to spend it to stimulate the economy!
~ASW
Posted by: A Soldier's Wife at May 10, 2008 09:12 AM (U2GKz)
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Yep, right into savings.
Although AFG and I are going to use just a bit of it to take a date night to the NRA shooting range.
Think Ms. Pelosi would approve?
Posted by: airforcewife at May 10, 2008 09:37 AM (mIbWn)
Posted by: deskmerc at May 10, 2008 04:27 PM (Ho1gG)
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You could try hydromulch. We did it in our barren back yard and had some extra that they put on the front lawn, so you don't have to do it on barren soil. It is also cheaper. Here is a description that I found:
Hydromulch, sometimes known as hydroseed, is a mixture of fiber mulch, grass seed, fertilizer, bonding agent, and water. This mixture is placed in a special machine to bring the ingredients to the right density to spray over barren soil. The result is a thick green layer on the surface of the soil. After regular watering and two weeks time, the result is a beautiful high quality lawn at a fraction of the price of sod.
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May 09, 2008
FIRST TIME BLOG MEETING
This afternoon I went and met up with
Sis B. She has the cutest freckled nose and the most perfectly shaped head I've ever seen. (That sounds weird, I know, but it's meant as a compliment. She's lovely.)
We had a wonderful afternoon of talking our heads off. And my favorite part was when we mentioned my car, and she immediately asked me how many miles to the gallon it gets. We compared notes on our cars' gas consumption. In this nutty Army world we live in, surrounded by SUVs and F-150s, it felt so nice for someone to notice and speak appreciatively of our little, efficient cars.
I can't wait to see her again the next time I'm in "Tayhoss." I hope she introduces me to her armadillo friends.
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Maybe it's because I haven't slept much for the past few days but HAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm laughing hysterically.
And I was crafting my blog post about you all afternoon.

I think I might sleep first, though.
It was glorious meeting you and I can't wait til next time!
Posted by: Sis B at May 09, 2008 07:33 PM (0ZS+T)
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I'M NOT ANTI-WAR
Dragonfly found an interesting opinion piece called
Anti-War Wounds. I don't relate to every opinion in the article, but it's well-written and makes a good point about "being the 'we.'" And about how it feels when people don't get that.
My husband fights this war. He risks his life every day. We have both made sacrifices for it. And to hear them say that it’s “a waste of time,” that it “will never make a difference,” that “we should call the whole thing off” — well, if that’s true, I’m not sure I’ll get out of bed tomorrow morning. There has to be a reason that our family — and thousands of others — are enduring this.
Yesterday someone called to say goodbye to my husband before he left, not knowing that he'd been bumped forward. And in the conversation, this person asked if my husband thinks that being in Iraq is worth it, if his job means anything, and if he thinks we should've gone there in the first place. How do you answer that question 1) politely and 2) succinctly? And then what do you do when that person says, "Well, I don't think it was the right idea in the first place"?
All I could answer was that my husband reads countless books, articles, and blogs about the Middle East. He's no robot blindly following Bush's orders. And he will do the best job he can with the brain he's been given so that he does make a difference down there.
You know, I've heard the saying that the soldier is the most anti-war person because he actually sees what war is, but I don't think I ever want label myself as anti-war. To me, that's like being anti-pollution or anti-cancer; it's a meaningless term. (I've written about this before.) There is war in this world we live in, like it or not, and sometimes you have to fight it. And if that time comes to my family, then that makes me pro-war. Do I think this time in Iraq has been perfect or easy? No way. But I don't have a crystal ball that can tell me what the world would've looked like if we hadn't gone to Iraq five years ago. It's possible the world might've been worse off. So you fight the war you're in with all you've got and don't waste time thinking about what might have been in some alternate dimension.
So please don't ask our military families to discuss that alternate dimension. It's pointless and off-putting.
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Especially since they don't want to hear our answer unless it is the same as theirs anyway.
I mean, really, I have never experienced someone asking me a question like that who was truly trying to get my perspective to add to their own reasons for the way they feel about the war. NEVER. What they were fishing for was whether they could use me as a "typical victim in the military" anecdote when they propounded their own opinions.
Posted by: airforcewife at May 09, 2008 04:34 AM (mIbWn)
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Agreed!
I've written about this as well. I think we're all pro-peace - the soldiers and the families that support them. We're just not out there fighting for peace like our soldiers are.
Posted by: Tonya at May 09, 2008 06:01 AM (KV0YP)
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“You’ll join us when your husband dies,” one of the protesters whispered.
Huh, wtf?
Peaceful, my butt!
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at May 09, 2008 06:33 AM (irIko)
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“And in the conversation, this person asked if my husband thinks that being in Iraq is worth it, if his job means anything, and if he thinks we should've gone there in the first place.”
Anybody who would ask such a thing, at such a time is a complete, flaming asshole. You & your husband would be wise to keep your distance from such a douche.
This clown’s agenda wasn’t to say goodbye to your husband but rather to spew his/her crap about the Iraq war. Disguising it in an “innocent” question doesn’t excuse the motives of such a reprehensible tool. This person, obviously knowing the situation, couldn’t keep their beliefs to themselves and just say something nice and leave it at that?
Geez, IÂ’m POÂ’d for yaÂ’. Sorry for the language, IÂ’ve just had it with these vermin.
Posted by: tim at May 09, 2008 07:53 AM (nno0f)
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Tim, a year or so ago I might have agreed with you -- but I have had so many people ask about whether it is "worth it" or whether we should "be there"... and they honestly want to hear it from someone that has some "inside" knowledge. They don't trust what they hear in the media (or don't know what to think!) and they seem genuinely happy when I tell them "Hell yes!" and the reasons why and what is going on in Iraq. So I no longer take offense... and look at it as an opportunity to educate them. I find that people who can't be swayed and have their minds made up start off with the obligatory "we should never have gone" or some other comment on the BushCheneyHitler line.
Posted by: Some Soldier's Mom at May 09, 2008 08:51 AM (1t9I+)
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The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the blog post
From the Front: 05/09/2008 News and Personal dispatches from the front lines.
Posted by: David M at May 09, 2008 08:58 AM (gIAM9)
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Some SoldierÂ’s Mom,
I understand what youÂ’re saying and I appreciate your comments.
I donÂ’t obviously know what this personÂ’s motives where or if they were honestly searching for some sincere answers as was your experience. I just read into SarahÂ’s post that it was inappropriate and not appreciated.
I also thought that under the situation, husband just left for the war being questioned, it was totally improper to say the least.
Posted by: tim at May 09, 2008 11:01 AM (nno0f)
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I'm just a civilian however I know for a fact that the men and women who serve in the military are all that's left standing between liberty and tyranny.
That said; I live in NYC, was here during both attacks so I am a little familiar with the effects of war. If I were asked the question 'it it worth it?' I would respond with "was it worth 8 1/2 years of willful blindness only to see the WTC crumble into ash, the Pentagon attacked and a massive hole in Pennsylvannia on 9/11?"
We gave peace a chance yet peace gave us 9/11.
I wish I could really express to the families of those serving that there has not been a day since 9/11 which I have forgotten my vow to Never Forget; every day since I wake up thinking about those who serve and their families and that you're worth defines everything good in this world.
I'm too old now to serve however I'm not too old to send care packages full of love and gratitude to the most important people in the world.
Posted by: syn at May 10, 2008 12:48 AM (Dx06M)
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Tim, Fair enough. and you're right... the timing of the question to Sarah is certainly suspect... on the other hand, the person could just be a social klutz (or just plain insensitive)
Posted by: Some Soldier's Mom at May 10, 2008 07:55 AM (1t9I+)
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I think this person really did want to know my husband's opinion, but it's really hard for me to speak for my husband in the first place. I feel funny doing that. Secondly, this person seemed to have a preconceived idea anyway. I don't know how open he/she was to what I had to say, and I didn't say much in the short conversation. It just came off as weird all around.
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MILESTONES
When we started trying to have a baby a year and a half ago, my husband was dismayed that he hadn't reached two goals yet: he wanted to have X amount of net worth, and he wanted to be finished with his MBA. But that was our
safe year, so we had to take advantage of his non-deployable status.
Well, last month we hit that X amount of money, and now I'm happy to announce that my husband passed his last two classes right before he deployed and finished his MBA program.
So anyway...Hey, baby, any time you feel like finally joining our family, feel free. Everything's squared away for your arrival. We've got fun knitted animals for you to play with, you've got a dresser full of clothes that the SpouseBUZZers bought for you, and now your screaming won't bother your father while he's trying to do homework.
Anytime now...
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Wow. Congratulations to you both. Amazing milestones you guys have hit!
Praying for that baby!!
Posted by: Tonya at May 09, 2008 05:59 AM (KV0YP)
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I'm sending crossed fingers and prayers....
And I was serious about compensating you for some knitting projects. I don't know how to knit and your stuff is gorgeous.... Please e-mail me if you are interested...
Posted by: Allison at May 09, 2008 05:31 PM (7gasU)
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May 08, 2008
UPDATE
I just heard from my husband; he made it to Kuwait. Naturally, they got bumped from heading into Iraq and will be staying there and wasting a few days, which makes you wonder why they had to leave the US in such a rush if they're just gonna sit around, but that's the Army. He sounds good. He said Kuwait looks a whole lot different than it did back in 2004.
I told him I keep forgetting that he's gone, and every time I read a good blog post or article, I forget that I can't show it to him when he gets home.
I'm anxious for a mailing address.
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So glad he could call & give you the update!! That's a relief. I'm looking forward to an address as well. Can send the Mr. a little SpouseBuzz Mail.

As an aside, I have exchanged the knitting needles for the right ones (I bought metal AND bamboo...is that bad). I also bought more yarn. Um, I can't even really do this yet and I have already started a stash. Is that the sign of a problem??
I'm so glad your husband phoned and that you had a chance to catch up. I say just cut and paste those web addresses into an e-mail so he can read them when he needs to wind down after a long day.
Hubs thought your photo with the 4-star is worthy of framing, btw.

I should probably just start e-mailing you if my comments are going to be this ridiculously long, huh?
Posted by: Guard Wife at May 08, 2008 07:21 AM (BslEQ)
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Good old hurry up and wait. Glad his trip so far has been uneventful, and I'm glad you got to hear his voice
Posted by: dutchgirl at May 08, 2008 07:24 AM (+usWx)
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those calls are always great!!
take care of yourself and i look fwd to reading more of your insights during this second deployment of yours. what a great treat on 7 MAY
Posted by: Mel at May 08, 2008 12:10 PM (M8tnx)
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They really were in a hurry--we had our "forward" mailing addresses before we left the states. I shipped myself some clothes and odds and ends that wouldn't fit in my ruck and duffel. It was kind of nice getting a care package (albeit from myself) right after I arrived.
Sig
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May 07, 2008
A DEPLOYMENT DAY LIKE NO OTHER
My plans for this week were perfect until my husband's deployment kept getting moved forward. Once that happened, I had to make a very unusual and difficult choice: Do you accept an invitation to the White House on the day your husband is supposed to deploy? Any other invitation in the world, you obviously turn down. But the White House? That's big. That gives you pause.
I asked around, and the general consensus was that other wives would not go to the White House. But I still had to decide for myself. I had a talk with my husband about my choice, and what he said blew my mind. He said, "The White House is the White House, and obviously that's a big deal. But what I think is really important is that you go spend time with your friends, people who love you. You don't have anyone here in town to take care of you while I'm gone, and when else are you going to get the chance to be with your good friends? If they're coming in from all over the country, then you need to go be with people who care about you."
And he was right.
It was so exciting to be able to take this photo on Tuesday:

But it honestly means so much more to me to have taken this one:

I spent the day surrounded by people who lift my spirits, who make me happy, and who grok what I am going through. They cracked me up and helped me forget my sorrow. And they reminded me of how lucky I am to have them in my life.
My husband was right: I really did need this.
I raced home right after the event and had six hours to spend with my husband before I dropped him off at his unit headquarters to deploy. And we felt good, no tears at all. Just a supplication for me to have "Spartan courage" and for him to "come back with his shield or on it." A quick kiss goodbye, and that was that.
And so the deployment begins.
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Holy Moly! What a choice. But what a day it must have been. Did you get to meet the President?
Posted by: Mare at May 07, 2008 12:03 PM (EI19G)
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Nah, I didn't get to meet him; I was just one invitee out of about 1400. But it was still super-cool to be invited. I did get to meet SecDef Gates and GEN Cody though!
Posted by: Sarah at May 07, 2008 01:15 PM (TWet1)
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I knew you and AWTM must be doing something special. Tough decision but you got to see him off so to me there wasn't really a big decision to make, right?
Posted by: Heidi at May 07, 2008 03:50 PM (ShL/Y)
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Sarah -
Good for you! And for your husband.
You two totally get each other.
I'm WAY jealous.
Tim
Posted by: Tim Fitzgerald at May 07, 2008 04:11 PM (Nki/C)
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A couple of my friends here went to that. My neighbor even brought me back the lovely letters from the Bushes. It was very cool! I wish I could have been there!
I am so glad that you were able to still see him off!! My thoughts and prayers are with you!
Posted by: Vyoergirl at May 07, 2008 04:43 PM (qe77L)
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Thinking of you both. Love and Prayers, Ramirez Family
Posted by: jennifer at May 07, 2008 06:57 PM (mlZxF)
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It was sooo good to see you & hang out with everyone. We need to do that more often!
Take care & we'll chat soon.
Posted by: Guard Wife at May 08, 2008 03:46 AM (BslEQ)
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Wow. What a day for you! I'm happy that you sound so good so far. You guys are definitely an inspirational couple!
Thinking of you!
Posted by: Tonya at May 08, 2008 10:09 AM (KV0YP)
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Sarah,
Bless you both. So glad that it seemed right to both of you for you to attend.
With a prayer and smile from Arlington,
Lisa
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May 06, 2008
POETRY WEDNESDAY
A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning
As virtuous men pass mildly away,
And whisper to their souls to go,
Whilst some of their sad friends do say
The breath goes now, and some say, No:
So let us melt, and make no noise,
No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move,
'Twere profanation of our joys
To tell the laity our love.
Moving of th' earth brings harms and fears,
Men reckon what it did and meant,
But trepidation of the spheres,
Though greater far, is innocent.
Dull sublunary lovers' love
(Whose soul is sense) cannot admit
Absence, because it doth remove
Those things which elemented it.
But we by a love so much refined
That our selves know not what it is,
Inter-assur'd of the mind,
Care less, eyes, lips, and hands to miss.
Our two souls therefore, which are one,
Though I must go, endure not yet
A breach, but an expansion,
Like gold to aery thinness beat.
If they be two, they are two so
As stiff twin compasses are two;
Thy soul, the fixed foot, makes no show
To move, but doth, if th' other do.
And though it in the centre sit,
Yet when the other far doth roam,
It leans and hearkens after it,
And grows erect, as that comes home.
Such wilt thou be to me, who must
Like th' other foot, obliquely run;
Thy firmness makes my circle just,
And makes me end where I begun.
-- John Donne
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Posted by: Butterfly Wife at May 07, 2008 01:43 AM (YkizZ)
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I don't know what to say, but John Donne says it all.
Posted by: Ruth H at May 07, 2008 04:15 AM (FAgoX)
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More big hugs from this corner.
Posted by: FbL at May 07, 2008 04:33 AM (HwqvF)
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Sarah - This gives me chills. Though I know know you personally, I've been thinking of you often. Take Care, Keri
Posted by: Keri at May 07, 2008 05:01 AM (HXpRG)
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Big hugs...and now the countdown has begun...
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at May 07, 2008 05:06 AM (irIko)
Posted by: Mare at May 07, 2008 11:03 AM (EI19G)
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Sarah,
I can only imagine what you are feeling and the emotions you have. I would just like to tell you that this American and I know I speak for many others, is so very thankful for your husbandÂ’s service and your sacrifice.
Please know that you both are appreciated and mere words cannot express our gratitude.
Also, if possible, please keep us updated as frequently as possible. In that-odd, internet, strangers who kind’a, sort’a know each other but really don’t-way I feel I “know” your husband. At the least in a small way, though enough to want to hear how he (and you) is doing. (Did that make any sense?)
Anyways, carry on & thank you.
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May 04, 2008
GETTING READY TO LEAVE
The last time my husband deployed, I spent
the day before he left sewing new rank on since he got promoted that day. I wish I could tell you what I spent yesterday doing, but it's majorly opsec. It's such a good story and really freaking weird, but alas. Curse my husband's new security clearance!
I wrote about his packing headaches at SpouseBUZZ.
And we've been getting ourselves properly pumped up on dorkosterone before he leaves. I started reading Gates of Fire again. Tonight we're watching his favorite movie: Miracle. And last night we went with his Farsi class buddies to Hooters so he could get his fill of beer and ogling chicks before he leaves.
I feel pretty good this time. I don't feel scared: his job will be low-key. I don't feel bad about the length: we did longer pre-R&R last time than his entire deployment will be this time. And I feel optimistic about our chances with the fertility treatments too.
I just feel a smidge sad that my best friend is leaving me for the rest of 2008.
At least I have Charlie this time.
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um, does mean he leaves, like, tomorrow now?
we are thinking of you.
Posted by: kate at May 04, 2008 09:45 AM (576n8)
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Enjoy your time together. Charlie will be a great deployment buddy.
As for the fertility treatments, those must be pretty good if they work while he is deployed.
Posted by: Butterfly Wife at May 04, 2008 10:38 AM (YkizZ)
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*LOL @ Butterfly Wife*
I'm sad that he's going to be gone, but happy to see that you seem to have a good grip on it all. You're awesome!
Posted by: FbL at May 04, 2008 11:05 AM (HwqvF)
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Thank you both for serving our country.
Posted by: maryindiana at May 04, 2008 03:19 PM (eG5B3)
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You always get my imagination going when you say those opsec things. Now I'm so curious I can barely stand it.
Call me after he leaves. Even if Tucker is screaming, Lewis is seizing, and my house is on fire all at the same time, I swear I will answer the phone.
Posted by: Erin at May 04, 2008 04:10 PM (y67l2)
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"dorkosterone" LOL! I've been thinking about you lately, even if I haven't had time to comment. I hope the days go by quickly.
Posted by: dutchgirl at May 04, 2008 05:07 PM (+usWx)
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You sound really positive. You made me laugh. I got to watch every episode of The Office before my hubby left this past time.

May your time speed by!
Posted by: Tressa at May 05, 2008 04:51 AM (yY6P+)
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This brought back memories of my husband's deployment! The day we said goodbye, I went to a nursery (it was in the spring time) and spent a small fortune on plants for our yard.
We were renting at that time from our in-laws so I had some freedom when it came to yard work.
I must say, it was incredibly therapeutic to put those plants in and it gave me something to do that year.
I couldn't wait for him to see it! Because really, all those hours spent in the garden was in preparation for his homecoming.
I've planted a couple gardens since then in different places- but that one will always be special to me. I did it out of love and faith.
Good luck Sarah. You'll get through this.
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May 03, 2008
SIGH
OK, this stopped being funny. My husband's deployment got moved forward again.
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That makes my stomach clench up on your behalf.
I don't know what to say, except "sigh" with you.
Posted by: Sis B at May 03, 2008 07:03 AM (0ZS+T)
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Oh,
man... I'm dizzy. I can't imagine how you feel.
Posted by: FbL at May 03, 2008 10:47 AM (HwqvF)
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ditto to the "sigh". :-\
*hugs*
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CEREAL
What?
Mothers-to-be who skip breakfast and eat less are more likely to give birth to girls, while moms who consume more calories and a wider range of nutrients — including, specifically, those from breakfast cereal — are more likely to deliver sons.
Wait wait wait. If we want a boy, I have to eat more? Done and done. And I eat breakfast cereal every single day. Sweet, we're golden.
Yeah, um, Tessa brings up the logical question here: Don't males carry the deciding chromosomes? Still, it's an interesting correlation. And if I were any good at conceiving at all, I would give it a try, but we're just gonna have to take what we can get.
Now excuse me while I go eat my breakfast cereal.
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You know, that is funny. When I was pregnant with my son, I ate more cereal than I probably ever had before. But, I ate it as an evening snack - literally almost every single night! I probably haven't eaten that much cereal in the past 5 yrs since he was born either....odd.
Posted by: Vypergirl at May 03, 2008 04:18 AM (qe77L)
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The males carry the deciding chromosome, but the different hormones present in the woman's body make certain genders more likely to "stick".
For instance, X and Y sperm swim at different speeds, thus, depending on the exact time in a woman's fertility cycle that she gets knocked up, the acidity level of the vagina combined with the distance to the egg (how far it has gotten in its journey) and a few other factors influence whether one is more likely to have a boy than a girl - early in the cycle pregnancies tend more often to be girls, and late in the cycle pregnancies tend more often to be boys. In fact, they have done studies documenting that Orthodox Jews have a much greater tendency towards delivering boys because of the religious restrictions placed on when during the cycle a woman and man may have sex.
There's a whole bunch more to it, and even more little bodily quirks and oddities - but it makes sense that what you eat would affect which gender is more likely to "stick" during a pregnancy, since it affects your entire body chemistry.
//sorry - something I had to learn a lot about of necessity...
Posted by: airforcewife at May 03, 2008 04:25 AM (mIbWn)
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The study isn't about conceiving a male fetus, it's about carrying it to term. Gender at conception is, of course, determined by the sperm cell. But higher blood sugar (not too high, of course) and a few other factors, mean the male fetus is more likely to survive and be born. It's as simple as that.
Posted by: Gus at May 03, 2008 06:53 AM (3UseY)
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May 02, 2008
YOU MUST BE KIDDING
Why Generation Y is broke
Let me guess...they're retarded?
The 28-year-old New York resident has a master's degree from a prestigious university, a successful career in photography, stamps in her passport from around the globe and, until recently, personal finances that were out of control.
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"[Her accountant] wrote me a letter that said, 'You've got to get your life together! Most of these bills aren't even open.' It was a really humbling thing," Wallace says. "But the next time, all my receipts were on a spreadsheet. No one had ever taught me to make a budget or balance a checkbook."
You're kidding me with this, right? No one ever taught me this either. Actually, that's not true: I think I remember having to balance a fake checkbook sometime around middle school for a math class assignment.
But for real, you have a Masters degree and it never occurred to you that you should keep track of your money? Like maybe use Excel or something, the easiest thing in the world. It does the math for you! I'm sure you're also, like, a total math-ophobe. Like numbers and stuff, ick. Who can do that?
"We're in a generation that was kind of shielded from a lot of financial responsibilities," says Wong. "Twenty years ago, when you were in college you didn't have a credit card, and (now) all of a sudden we had to take on debt to go to college. Then we get out of college and we have to have that handbag and an iPod," she says. "It is so easy to take on debt."
OMG, you did not just say that.
Many of these attitudes are evident in our relationships with our parents. Not for nothing have we been labeled the "boomerang generation": We may not all be living in our parents' wood-paneled basements, but a recent Pew survey found that 68% of baby boomers with kids are supporting an adult child financially.
Yep, I know several of them. And on the other end of the spectrum, you have people like me and my husband who, three years after we got married, sent our parents money for all the things we owed them for over the years. The laptop that I swore to my dad I would help pay for when I was in college, yep, never did. So I paid him back three years after I had passed the laptop on to my brother. Because he's my father and not some money tree. Once I realized the true value of money, I realized how much I'd asked of my parents over the years. And I paid them back.
Because I'm a grown-up, and grown-ups don't whine if they can't afford an iPod and they don't take advantage of other grown-ups, even if they happen to be mommy and daddy.
Why do we seem to get article after article these days about why 20 and 30 year olds can't seem to get their shit together? Quit making excuses for them like they weren't taught this in school or it's predatory lenders' fault. No one made her buy the handbag. When I was in college, I had a credit card with a $10,000 limit. I never put a dime on it. It was for emergencies only, and I knew the freaking definition of an emergency. It sure isn't Needing An iPod.
And no one had to teach me that! My parents didn't have to sit down and tell me what I could or could not put on a credit card. It's common freaking sense to not spend money you don't have.
Yeesh.
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Yet another fine example of book smarts equals dumb ass. Did she need a class to know how to use her iPod? Pathetic excuses.
Posted by: tim at May 02, 2008 04:08 AM (nno0f)
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Ah, the sweet smell of entitlement in the morning. Soon Apple will be accused of greed and not making their iPods more accessible to the financially "less fortunate". One day accessories might be considered a basic human right in the US (the rest of the world still mocks us)...don't laugh, we're getting there...
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at May 02, 2008 04:26 AM (irIko)
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You're making me get up on my soapbox again!! Can we relate a good part of the current mortgage crisis to people who are just starting out thinking they need 3 -4 bedroom houses with a "man room", a large yard for the dog, and at least 2400 sq ft? Or have I just been watching too much HGTV?
Seriously, for a long time it has seemed to me that many young couples, married and unmarried, do not realize that "starting out" means just that. Starting out with less than they expect to accumulate in say 10- 50 years. People seem to think they should start with what their parents currently have. Do they have no inkling of how long it took to get there?
Okay, I'm climbing down now.
Posted by: Ruth H at May 02, 2008 05:08 AM (BkiKe)
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Christ on a crutch! These people make me so mad. I worked 2 jobs in college and I still had to take loans.
I don't believe in credit cards, don't have any, and frankly - don't really miss them.
I know they say children are the future, but with kids like this I'm scared.
Posted by: Mare at May 02, 2008 05:25 AM (EI19G)
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Good Lord.
Good. LORD.
Okay, so this is what happens when we try to make everything "just right" for our kids and "give them everything they need" when what they REALLY need is to work for something and have some sense of accomplishment and understanding of what it took to earn that money.
And don't even get me started on 4 bedroom "starter houses".
Posted by: airforcewife at May 02, 2008 06:56 AM (mIbWn)
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That is such crap. I'm almost 31 and our personal finances are FINE. I think the only time I was ever 'taught' anything about my checking accounts or anything was in bootcamp--and I went there when I was 24 and had already been living on my own for the past 3 years. So it was pointless. The only debt I had until I got married were my student loans (now we have the car, too), and I've had my own credit card since I was 18. All the bills get paid on time and we never charge more than we can pay off in a single month. To me, that's just common sense.
I don't understand how people can just play ignorant when it comes to this stuff.
Posted by: Ann M. at May 02, 2008 08:51 AM (HFUBt)
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Yeah, don't get me rolling on this one.....at my age I watched the credit card companies throw preapproved cards in the mail to me at age 19, 4 at a time and I'm snapping the cards with my name on them already in half as fast as they were coming. But I watched my friends run up debt so fast it made your head spin.....I had a friend in basic training who almost lost her clearance because of it....I just did not understand how she thought that the government would not consider her a threat....my kids, they will get a checking account with a debit card....until they understand the ramifications of credit.
Posted by: A Soldier's Wife at May 02, 2008 10:00 AM (oIINu)
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The idea that one can't do anything unless you've been *specifically taught* how to do it seems to be proliferating, and is probably related to the worship of "education."
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May 01, 2008
HILARIOUS
The funniest thing happened today. My mother-in-law sent us a package. My husband was on the phone with her while I opened it up, and I looked in the plastic bag that was on top. I said, "Um...it's a dead bird." My husband said, "What? She says it's something knitted."
It seems the Hitler cat killed a bird, and they put it in a bag and out in the garage to dispose of. And somehow that bag got grabbed when she went to put bags in the package for padding. It was the funniest thing ever. I can now say my mother-in-law mailed me a dead animal. I think that is a riot. My new favorite story.
The unfunniest thing also happened today. My husband's deployment got moved forward. He leaves soon now.
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I'm sorry. Sooner out = Sooner back? Yes? Maybe? But prolly not.

I wish I could fix it.
And I don't know how to knit. That peach premie was the f*ing cutest thing ever, EVER!! I want to learn how to do stained glass, but I doubt that I have the time or the patience.... It could be fairly lucrative, I suppose.
Do you ever sell your stuff versus give it away? Could I 'order' something from you and pay for it??? Please?
And if I haven't told you lately, I *heart* you! I do. I love you and Cali and Erin. (No, I am NOT drinking! Well, maybe a little.) No, no I am not drinking!!! You guys are just too kewl.!.
Posted by: Allison at May 01, 2008 06:15 PM (0hDLC)
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laughed about the bird - how ridiculous! (and yes, funny!) - sighed about the deployment. My brother leaves today. sigh again.
Posted by: prophet at May 02, 2008 08:22 AM (+EInj)
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Im not sure what I would have done with a package and a dead animal....it is quite the story....
I'm sorry about the deployment date.....but once it begins, it will also begin the start of being able to put days behind you and closer to it being over....but it still sucks.
~ASW
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A thought from
Rachel Lucas:
IÂ’m pretty sure the multitude of African tribes who sold other Africans into slavery havenÂ’t apologized, either. TheyÂ’re still doing it, actually, but you never hear about that. All guys like Wright care about is what didnÂ’t happen to them at the hands of people who are no longer alive. You know, sometimes I wonder what hut-dwelling, persecuted, starving, or enslaved Africans - who are alive and dying right this second - would think about American blacks like Wright and Cone, if they could know about them. Which they canÂ’t because they live in abject poverty and terror and donÂ’t have a lot of spare time to surf the internet, seeing as how theyÂ’re so busy running from machete slaughters and waiting for their cup of rice each day, that is if it isnÂ’t hijacked by other Africans with guns.
I wonder how “supported” they would feel in their “blackness” to know that wealthy, intelligent, resourceful black Americans spend so much time and effort pounding away on shit that happened here hundreds of years ago instead of directing all that rage at injustice towards Africa itself. You know, maybe actually helping black people who need it about a million times more than your average Detroit gangbanger. Just a thought I have sometimes.
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Posted by: Erin at May 01, 2008 04:12 AM (y67l2)
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“I’m pretty sure the multitude of African tribes who sold other Africans into slavery haven’t apologized, either.”
Dovetailing this, if one was to use WrightÂ’s chicken/roost logic, one has to wonder what the slaves had done to deserve being enslaved.
Posted by: tim at May 01, 2008 04:54 AM (nno0f)
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Their stick wasn't as big as someone else's stick tim.
Anyway, black americans were being hung from trees in the 1930s and kept from voting in the 1950s, so we are not talking about 100s of years here. Wright's generation has plenty to be bitter about from their own time.
Posted by: Will at May 03, 2008 06:05 PM (m5WDW)
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Sarah: You said things I've thought about for years! Well spoken! People are dying over there, without a whisper. It's time we got mad!Thanks for speaking up!
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April 30, 2008
WTF?
Hank Dagny (nice name) finds an appalling article called "Is 'early' retirement ... well, unpatriotic?"
When I hear my fellow baby boomers gleefully talk about their plans to retire ASAP, head for the Tuscan hills or otherwise continue their lifelong quest for "self-actualization," I have to bite my tongue.
It's not that I'm all work and no play. But there's just something -- lots of things -- wrong, in general, with retiring at 55, 62 or even 65. I would go so far as to call it profoundly selfish and unpatriotic.
For individuals, working longer can mean more income and savings and something to bequeath to one's children. For the nation, if millions of us worked until 67 instead of 62, Americans' wealth and consumption would increase appreciably, fueling stronger economic growth.
That added income would provide about $800 billion in additional tax revenue and reduce government benefit costs by at least $100 billion in 2045, according to Urban Institute calculations. This alone would cut the projected deficit in 2045 by 159 percent.
Well then, call us unpatriotic, because my husband's goal is to retire from the Army at 42 and be retired. Done. Finito. I don't know if that will stick because he might get bored being at home, but at the rate he's planning now, he will have the option of making it so.
And I dare some communist to say that what he's doing is "unpatriotic." He doesn't have to keep working an additional 25 years so he can fund social welfare programs. It's his responsibility to provide for himself and his family, nothing more. And as much as we've scrimped and saved and done without for the past six years so that we have the financial flexibility to do whatever he wants when he retires, I'll be damned if someone says that he has to work longer to help out deadbeats who didn't scrimp and save and do without.
Yes, we're selfish. I daresay the US would be a better place if everyone were a little more selfish, taking care of their own needs and doing what needs to be done to maximize profits and reach their goals. The Invisible freaking Hand.
Blood. Boiling. Calm. Down.
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"Yes, we're selfish. I daresay the US would be a better place if everyone were a little more selfish, taking care of their own needs and doing what needs to be done to maximize profits and reach their goals."
Bingo Sarah!
Posted by: tim at April 30, 2008 05:34 AM (nno0f)
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It's funny - we've never considered retiring early, but not because of some misplaces sense of funding other people's food stamps.
AFG loves his job - so doing his job is what he enjoys doing. He reads about his job when he's home. He plans the different aspects of his job and which path in it he should take.
He would do it until the day he died if he could.
But that's because he gets to do for a job what many people do from their armchairs as a hobby. If he worked in a factory or something I'm pretty sure he'd be out of there as soon as fiscally possible.
Posted by: airforcewife at April 30, 2008 07:48 AM (mIbWn)
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AFW, I imagine my husband will retire, get bored within a year, and start working again. But I could be wrong...
Posted by: Sarah at April 30, 2008 09:22 AM (TWet1)
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DH got his 20 year letter the other day, he can officially start drawing a pension. (I am married to osmeone eligible for a pension?)
Holy Crap....
He has no interest in it right now....he likes working, and he loves being in the military...
Maybe later..
Posted by: awtm at April 30, 2008 12:52 PM (f726z)
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Wow! That's incredibly arrogant to make a blanket statement as to when people should retire. So many people seem to have issues with deciding to retire (as in resisting it) that I never really thought there was an epidemic of early-retirees that is sure to fuel our country's downfall. ;D But, seriously, when to retire is an intensely personal decision. And it's no one's business but the person making the decision.
Posted by: Marine Wife at April 30, 2008 04:28 PM (emmYv)
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So I guess in this guy's view, the great mystery about the purpose of human life has now been solved.
The purpose of human life is to generate tax revenue for the government.
Posted by: david foster at May 01, 2008 06:12 AM (ke+yX)
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Unpatriotic? How ridiculous is that. I can think of many things that are unpatriotic, but "when" a person retires from active work is not one of them.
Although many people don't remember, there was no real retirement age until the Nixon era. We were having such economic troubles at the time, he's the one who introduced the "retirement age" of 65.
As for me - I don't know what I'd do if I retired. Be bored out of my skull I think. So, I have no plans to retire but it's not for patriotism, nor is it to keep paying into the system for others - merely for my own peace of mind. heh.
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DUMB DREAMS
My husband never remembers his dreams (lucky) but I always do. We often laugh at how mundane and stupid my dreams are. For example, last night: The husband and I visited some sort of aquarium museum. In the gift shop, I picked out a quartz that was carved into a turtle and bought it. Afterwards, I realized it was $11, and I panicked. I didn't think it was worth $11, but I was too embarrassed to immediately ask for a refund. And then my husband comes around the corner and sarcastically says, "You could always buy one of these," referring to a little statuette of a mother holding an infant.
Seriously, these are my dreams. Of all the things I could be doing -- flying, commanding a space ship, winning the lottery of free yarn -- I dream about buyer's remorse. And about how mad we are that we don't have a baby yet.
Apparently I'm just as parsimonious and cynical in my dreams as I am in real life.
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I just had to look up the word parsimonious...
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at April 30, 2008 05:02 AM (irIko)
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Heh, it's one of those words that stuck with me from high school vocab lessons. Maybe because I knew it'd be useful in describing myself someday...
Posted by: Sarah at April 30, 2008 05:11 AM (TWet1)
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I have stupid dreams too. I had one the other night that I got into a tearful, screaming fight with my husband because he wanted to watch a particular movie on TV and I didn't want to because the lead actress scares me. I thought he was being mean because he KNOWS she scares me. I woke up shaking my head and wondering why I didn't just go do something else...
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April 29, 2008
THAT'S A PEACH OF A HAT!
I made the
pumpkin version last fall, so yesterday I tried the peach.

These preemie hats are too darned cute.
And I got some great suggestions on yesterday's post that if I have too much yarn, I can give it away, either to newbie knitters or to a good cause. While both of these ideas are admirable, well, I don't think I'm that big of a person. You see, I will spend hours and hours and hours making stuff that I just give away. I make tons of preemie caps, squares for HCC afghans, and gifts for friends, but handing over an unknittedup ball of yarn to someone else? Ouch.
At one of my knitting classes, a woman didn't buy her own yarn. She brazenly asked me if she could just use mine. I had this crummy, old, ugly ball of faded brown acrylic junk in my hand, and yet I went, "Um...well...er...uh...o...kay," and slowly handed it to her. It was crap yarn! It was ugly and awful. But giving it away? It hurt my heart. I would've gladly made something out of it and handed it to her for free, but I have a severe selfishness problem with giving away unused yarn.
Sis B, I'd rather hand you ten bucks to go pick out your own yarn! And FbL, we too make blankets for the VA hospital here in town; I was just going to start one soon. The problem is, a lot of the yarn I have is not stuff that is good for these projects. I have used up most of my washable acrylics on HCC squares; what I'm left with is fancy wools and sock yarn and a ton of baby yarn to be made into preemie caps. But I'll dig.
Maybe I can convince myself to be a big enough person to give away yarn.
Maybe.
Doubtful.
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That hat is amazingly sweet. It could only look sweeter with a teeny, tiny head tucked into it.

I cannot WAIT to learn how to do this type of knitting magic!!
Posted by: Guard Wife at April 29, 2008 08:43 AM (GPWZ1)
Posted by: awtm at April 29, 2008 12:54 PM (f726z)
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I love your preemie hats! How sweet the little peach hat is!
Posted by: sharona at April 29, 2008 01:26 PM (BeRta)
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Very cute!
And you make such wonderful stuff, I wouldn't feel bad at all about not give it away.
Posted by: Butterfly Wife at April 29, 2008 02:46 PM (YkizZ)
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*heehee* Perfectly understandable.
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I have *got* to get a picture of Emma wearing her preemie hat sent to you

. She is wearing it now!
Posted by: Kate at April 30, 2008 03:41 AM (576n8)
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I had to giggle! Has Erin told you about ''my stash?''
Posted by: debey at April 30, 2008 06:09 AM (nNfOh)
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Good thing my apt is small or I'd have more yarn, too. Just need to finish some other projects so I can get on with a Soldiers' Angels crocheting project that I promised to help with....
Love your blog! I haven't been here in a while and wondering why not. Duh.
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April 28, 2008
DEPLOYMENT, TAKE 2
I kept
this Butterfly post in the back of my mind for a long time, knowing I'd reference it later because it mirrors my situation.
But this is not all that dissimilar to the incident that happened in the fall. Back then, I complained I couldn't cry about it. This time I cried and cried. This difference this time I think has to do with the fact that I do not think of him as being in all that dangerous of place, well, at least compared to where he was. At his last assignment, I think I had an enormous barrier in place to deal with this kind of thing. But once he took the new assignment, and I settled in to the day-to-day officeness of it all, I let that wall down.
Whenever people like my husband's grandma or his friend's wife started to get that worried look as they hugged my husband for the last time, he just smiled at them and reassuringly said, "If I told anyone in the Army where I am going, what I will be doing, and how long I will be there, no one would feel sorry for me. So you don't need to worry about me; I have an enviable deployment!"
His last deployment, not so much.
I wonder how this time will be different. Last time, the only experience I knew was weeks without contact, no phones at his location, two intense trips to Najaf, every third week living off the FOB, and no hot food for the first six months. His deployment was on the rough(er) end of the spectrum, but I don't remember feeling overly scared. It just was what it was; it was the only deployment I knew.
And sometimes now I get worried because this one is even more relaxed. I don't feel nervous or scared at all about his leaving. I don't feel like he's preparing for war this time. But then my mind plays tricks on me and I start to wonder what if something happens like happened to Butterfly Wife, where the husband's "day-to-day officeness" is interrupted by danger? Honestly, I have thought more than once how stupid it would feel if my husband were killed on his "easy" deployment instead of his prior hard one. But stuff like that happens, even to soldiers with the jobbiest jobs.
I hope he spends the entire time bored out of his mind.
And close to a phone.
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We used google talk like it was going out of style the second time.
And I do feel ya.
Posted by: airforcewife at April 28, 2008 01:30 PM (mIbWn)
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{{Hugs}} Bored is good.
Posted by: Guard Wife at April 28, 2008 05:53 PM (BslEQ)
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Bored is good. But hearing my husband being miserable at being bored was pretty hard. I would eventually get relieved when he would get 'un-bored' just so he didn't have that particular tone to his voice.
Posted by: wifeunit at April 28, 2008 06:09 PM (BOdNw)
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I hope he's bored and near a phone the whole time, too.
Posted by: Ann M. at April 29, 2008 05:15 AM (HFUBt)
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Amen! to bored and near the phone.
Posted by: Tibby at April 29, 2008 05:38 AM (S/Fac)
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Wifeunit said it well - deployment boredom is such a double edged sword. I found myself seriously battling inside. I, his wife and the lonely partner who wanted him home safely so that we could enjoy our lives together, wanted him to be BORED to TEARS. I'd have happily sent a box of books every day if that were the case.
Then I would hear how useless he was feeling due to that boredom, how quiet it was, how he wished he were contributing more with his specific skills. He was miserable at times due to the boredom. I hated that, too. Sometimes more than I hated the danger during the previous deployment.
It was often hard finding a balance between the wife who wants him happy and the wife who wanted him home ...
The phone part, I whole heartedly agree.

I'll be thinking of you.
Posted by: Stephanie at April 29, 2008 08:08 AM (kzbE/)
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That was our last deployment. While Stretch complained about his job satisfaction (or lack therof), I would listen and be supportive. But I was secretly relieved that his biggest risk was a papercut. Like Stephanie said, it's a difficult balance: wanting them to be happy and wanting them to be safe (and at home!).
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Knitters with a big stash will completely grok
this:
So that's where I am today. At least in my head. Remembering how I felt when I bought this stuff. Remembering what I planned on making with it. Remembering all the emotions I was sure I'd feel when the projects were finished. Beating myself up for never getting around to starting the projects. Beating myself up for not even winding the yarn yet. Beating myself up for beating myself up for all the projects I wanted to make but never got around to.
My friend learned to knit and crochet right when her husband left for Iraq. A year later, she had a serious obsession. She made her husband come over to my house to see my stash so that hers would look small by comparison. Her husband was a bit stunned by my skein collection; my husband just shrugged his shoulders and sighed.
I've been making a conscious effort to use up yarn I already own, but somehow the stash keeps growing. Sometimes is grows slowly, as when I find one lonely ball of mustard yellow on sale for 60 cents that can be used to make HCC squares. Other times it grows in leaps and bounds: one of the ladies in my charity group has been ridding her stash of yarns that bother her arthritic hands, and every two weeks she brings me a new big bag of yarn for me. So even though my stash is growing mostly due to free yarn, it's still starting to overwhelm me.
It takes several hours and about 1.5 oz of yarn to make a preemie cap; thus, bags of yarn every two weeks will take me ages to work through. But somehow I have this stupid mental image that I will use up everything I own someday, and then dust my hands off and go buy more.
Working through my stash is like digging in sand.
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I'm this way with my scrapbooking supplies. (Note to self: organize and put away your scrapbooking stash before Sarah steps foot in this house!)
Oh, well. That's what hobbies are about, I suppose, and as inexpensive as the supplies can be, they mulitply fast!
Posted by: Guard Wife at April 28, 2008 10:02 AM (BslEQ)
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I promised myself a while ago that I would not buy any more yarn until I had all of my projects with specific yarns completed. So ABW and I walked into the thrift store the other day and found a HUGE bin of Rowan wool yarn for $1.75/skein (brand new, with tags). We went a little crazy. And I felt guilty the whole time. There was a point right before I got to the register that I almost put them back. But I couldn't part with the scrumptious colors I picked out, even though I had no current ideas for the yarn. Hey! Maybe I'll make some wool soakers with the pattern you sent...(I already have three projects on the needles that haven't been touched in weeks). Argh.
Posted by: Erin at April 28, 2008 10:52 AM (y67l2)
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Well... there's always junior knitters who may or may not be pregnant and may or may not be headed into a deployment and may or may not lust after yarn every time they enter a hobby lobby or michael's who may or may not appreciate your passing on some of the stash to them.
Not that I know anybody who may or may not fit those criteria.
Nope.
Nobody.
Posted by: Sis B at April 28, 2008 11:18 AM (0ZS+T)
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To Erin's defense she really did almost put it back. I told her to keep it. I couldn't let her put back her measly couple of balls of yarn when I......gulp.......bought 34.
(but some of mine were only 75 cents a skein!)
No excuse, no excuse.....
just don't ask me to count my needles.....
I'm off to knit...wait....I'm cutting quilt squares.....tomorrow I knit.
Posted by: ABW at April 28, 2008 11:50 AM (Y3JJK)
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Shoot, Erin and ABW, no need to gulp...if I had been there, I would've fought you for the yarn myself. I sure don't need 34 new balls, but I would've taken them in a heartbeat, and maybe punched you out if you tried to get me to share.
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I've been talking to a company that may be donating yarn to Soldiers' Angels. When I talked to the crochet team about it, the team leader was so excited. She said that most of the knitters and crocheters (who usually make blankets for the VA) are retired and can't afford to buy as much yarn as they would use if they had the opportunity. So... perhaps I could help you find a good home for all that yarn...?
Posted by: FbL at April 28, 2008 12:58 PM (rW1/8)
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OMG, can I just say that I hate you all. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. I lost my whole stash in the stupid Nor'Easter flood on April 07' and have been aquirring some stuff here and there. If I saw that sale I'd beat you all off with a stick for that yarn.
There's too many knitters here in Philly to really be able to get good sale stuff, it's always picked over.
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April 27, 2008
THE WAR ON PRIME TIME TV
I'm often dismayed and annoyed with TV storylines involving the GWOT; they usually involve soldiers who kill innocents, loot Iraq, and blame it all on the war. Friday's
Numb3ers was no exception.
One of the main characters of the show got out of the Army to join the FBI. In this episode, the FBI was searching for a Marine whose family had been kidnapped because he wouldn't give his fellow Marines the whereabouts of $1 million stolen in Iraq. (Yep, it's the Three Kings storyline again.) Here's the conversation they had:
Marine: They're gonna kill my family. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Force recon taught me that.
FBI: Playing the "bad war badass" is not going to get your family back.
Marine: What do you know about bad wars? Chasing bin Laden in '01 don't compare to what's going on now.
FBI: Yeah, I've heard the stories.
Marine: (mocking) You've heard the stories. Talk to me when you've seen woman and children blown up by a 50-cal, or a school after a mortar attack, or a man tortured by your own guys until he begs you to kill him. You fought the bad war when it was good.
This seemed like Hollywood bullcrap to me, so I had a long talk with my husband about it. In his experience, he has never heard conversations like this about Afghanistan being a "good war" but Iraq being a "bad war." And 50-cal bullets work in Afghanistan too; I am sure some soldier in Afghanistan has made a kill that bothers him. This just smelled like projection to me: someone in Hollywood thinks Afghanistan is more justified than Iraq and writes that dialogue into the script.
Heck, everyone in Hollywood is projecting. I can't even list how many episodes of shows like Cold Case, Law & Order, CSI, Without a Trace, etc, have plotlines that seem like stereotypes gone horribly wrong. Everyone has PTSD, and the number of people who return from Iraq and murder their recruiter, journalists, or other soldiers from their platoon who are about to blow the whistle on cover-ups of massive Iraqi murders, well, it's just staggering. If this had happened even once, I think we'd have heard of it in the past seven years. It's all Hollywood exaggeration, and sadly they're exaggerating our soldiers and Marines into killers, thieves, and mental cases.
Later on in the show, thankfully this exchange happens between the two FBI agents:
Colby: What Porter said about me fighting the good war, there's truth to that. When I got pulled out of the field by military intelligence, I left a lot of guys behind.
David: And a lot of them went to Iraq...
Colby: I read the names in the papers, guys I knew, I heard about friends who came home messed up physically and messed up in the head
David: Where I grew up, people were messed up by a lot of things, a lot of it out of their control. It didn't make them any less culpable for their actions.
They're talking about the context of crime, but this point can be extended much further. War is ugly. But so is rape, abuse, incest, drugs, and a host of other things that people are exposed to on a daily basis. Soldiers watch their friends get killed, but sometimes in this messed-up world we live in, children watch their parents get killed. Wives watch their husbands murdered in front of them. Life is not only brutal on the battlefield.
Last night I finished reading The Airman and the Carpenter. The NJ state executioner thought Hauptmann was innocent, but he had to pull the switch anyway. I had never thought about executioners before, but I'm sure on occasion they have to take a life they're not comfortable with taking. But they do it. Does it haunt them? I don't know; we never hear about executioner PTSD. Nor do we hear about doctor PTSD, though I'm certain the ER is a horrifying place to work. I bet they see more people dying in a week than my husband did in an entire year. But they're not portrayed on TV as mental cases who are going to kill their fellow doctors for money.
I've been holding in a complaint for a long time because it is a delicate subject, but I'm going to air it now. There are people out there with PTSD, and they need help. I am glad that there is awareness and that they can get the help they deserve. I know it's real. But there's a nagging part of me that rues the fact that the more emphasis we put on PTSD -- the more we talk about detection and diagnosis and how widespread it is -- the more civilians expect that everyone who's been deployed is messed up in the head. And the more of these storylines we're going to get on movies and TV, which just reinforces civilians' belief that everyone has PTSD.
My husband reminded me of the time we went to The Mariners' Museum and his cousin asked cautiously if he would be OK sitting in on the video presentation of the battle of the USS Monitor because it had simulated cannon fire. It was nice of her to be concerned, but my husband just had to chuckle. He had been jittery for the first few weeks of being home, but by then he had been home for two and a half years. But she knew about PTSD and thought it affected everyone who's been deployed. She was worried about my husband and wouldn't accept his reassurance. She kept asking me if he was OK, no I mean really, is he OK, you can tell me.
Yes, he's OK. Most people are. Some do have PTSD, but most of them won't go on to murder or pillage. They need to see a doctor; what they don't need is Hollywood making them out to be ticking time bombs on every TV show and movie ever made about Iraq.
Why can't we have any storylines where someone comes home from Iraq and then sacrifices to save a life? That's happened, you know. Or where someone survives a murder attempt and helps bring the killer to justice, as Airman King did?
There's heroism among returning servicemembers. But for some reason that never makes it into TV plots.
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Suggested reading: "True Crime" by Andrew Klavan. I don't usually read mysteries/crime novels, but this is exceptional. It's about a seemingly-hackneyed subject: the innocent man condemned to death--but Klavan makes it work very well. The prison warden, like the executioner you mention, has serious doubts about the guilt of his prisoner.
There was a movie made from the book, but the plot was changed in ways that didn't make sense.
Posted by: david foster at April 27, 2008 07:25 AM (ke+yX)
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We had the tv on friday night while this show was on, I was on the laptop (surprise surprise) and my own personal marine was ironing of all things his cammies. We heard the line that you mentioned and both our heads shot up. We just looked at each other and flyboy said, "Oh good, political commentary". I could see him tense up. He went on to complain about how the crazies always have to be military of some sort as if there arent a. enough good military folks to show but we all know that wouldnt be interesting and b. that there surely is no shortage of nonmilitary crazies.
sorry for the ramble i get so worked up over this bs.
Posted by: lea at April 28, 2008 05:53 AM (NJQf+)
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When you said, "But there's a nagging part of me that rues the fact that the more emphasis we put on PTSD -- the more we talk about detection and diagnosis and how widespread it is -- the more civilians expect that everyone who's been deployed is messed up in the head."
And I immediately thought about ADHD. So many children are diagnosed with ADHD even when they may just be acting like children. For some reason, we have to put a label on people and now we're doing it with children. Suddenly everyone, young and old, are on anti-depressants....
Anyway, it was just another topic that sprang to mind. I completely agree with you. The television, internet and various media forms all interfere with our lives in unfortunate ways when it doesn't have to be that way. It would be nice to see more positive news about the GWOT or life in general so we're all not perpetuating more depression!!
Posted by: Tonya at April 28, 2008 11:53 AM (KV0YP)
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Back in Civil War days, what we now call PTSD was called "soldier's heart."
Seems more human, somehow.
Posted by: david foster at April 28, 2008 12:38 PM (ke+yX)
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Do people really think doctors and other professionals that deal with intense things (For lack of a better expression...) don't get PTSD?
Because my experience is that ER doctors DO get PTSD, as do CPS workers, cops, therapists, Domestic Violence advocates, Sexual Assault advocates, crime victims and on and on it goes...
In those fields, it is sometimes labeled as secondary trauma or vicarious trauma, or just PTSD.
But PTSD isn't something that just happens to soldiers in wartime. I'm wondering why so many people think that... that baffles me.
Posted by: Crys at April 30, 2008 10:09 AM (dqGUK)
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I agree that some people come back with PTSD, but agree with your assessment that it isn't as rampant as we are told. I know a guy who went over (well, a lot of guys, but one in particular) who was a real screw up before he joined - didn't take responsibility for his actions, immature, etc.
Well, he was in a pretty famous photo while he was there, and when he came back he went a little nutso and it made the news again. The thing is, the stuff he did when he came back was some of the same crap he was pulling before he ever joined the Army - but now it was all being blamed on PTSD.
I just don't always buy it. I think that some people want to be irresponsible and need someone (or something) else to blame.
Sorry for my rant, this whole topic just gets me going...
Posted by: Kahne at May 06, 2008 06:01 AM (8/Y1L)
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